Brad Fitzpatrick ([info]bradfitz) wrote in [info]lj_ru_support,
2006-10-24 18:17:00
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List of questions/concerns.... start of a FAQ...

I'm starting to work on a list of questions/concerns (and later answers) in both English and Russian, side-by-side. For now I only have a list of English questions/concerns.

These are the ones I keep hearing the most often, but please add to this list in the comments if I forgot something, or you have another question/concern.

Also, please don't try and guess the answers yet based on the questions. The answers might surprise you (in a good way I hope!), and I don't want any more fear spread in the LJ community until everybody has better information.

Deal Overview: what's in it for whom, and why?

What is SUP, or what will it be? What does SUP add?

Why should we trust SUP?

US law vs. Russian Law, LJ TOS, etc.

Abuse Team: who running it, which TOS?

Anton's a Jew!

Anton's an asshole! Anton's unprofessional!

Anton will read my private entries!

Mummat's a criminal!

We don't know this Andrew Paulson guy.

KGB will get access to all the data! The government will read my private entries!

Can I opt-out? Or is it opt-in? Which, why?

What are the heuristics for which accounts SUP could manage?

You can't legally sell users... Are you selling me?

So if I live in _______ or write in ______, SUP "owns" me?

This is racial profiling!

LJ was the last independent media in Russia... no more?

One code base or two?

Will SUP remain open source, like LJ?

Will code be shared between SUP and LJ?

This will affect political discussion on LJ!

If I get managed by SUP, will my blog URL change?

What happens to my friends on "the other LJ"? (nothing.... it's one LJ!)

What happens to my account level? (Free/Basic, Plus, Paid....)

But I'm Ukrainian, not Russian, and you keep assuming I'm Russian!
Please add to this list.

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[info]prblnce

October 25 2006, 01:31:56 UTC 5 years ago

научите уже кто-нибудь говорить по-русски

теперь уже пора ... (-:

[info]bradfitz

October 25 2006, 01:35:26 UTC 5 years ago

Everything will be по-русски soon enough.

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[info]ivanytch

October 25 2006, 01:37:23 UTC 5 years ago

Hi, I am valued US customer. Do you intend to prosecute Mr. Nossik regarding his recent outrages to more than 5k russian users of LJ?

[info]bradfitz

October 25 2006, 03:49:33 UTC 5 years ago

What did he say to 5k russian users?

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[info]ex_rykov

October 25 2006, 01:38:44 UTC 5 years ago

Anton's an asshole! Anton's unprofessional!

[info]alex_mashin

October 25 2006, 02:12:51 UTC 5 years ago

1. Anton Nosik is a person of questionable (if not outright criminal) background.
2. He has admitted the preparedness to clean LJ from people he called fascist and xenophobes. Since he is known to be politically opinionated, there are fears that an Abuse Team controlled or influenced by him will use a very broad definition of xenophobia. We fear censorship.
3. The said censorship can be carried out not only by an Abuse Team, but also by the means of organising 'technical' problems with the unwanted posts and accounts.
4. In a conflict between two users, one of which has opted in for Nosik's services and the other has not, an Abuse Team controlled by Nosik is expected to support the former. Such a conflict can be easily organised for every user disliked by Nosik.
5. If Nosik gains access to any of the users private data, it will be leaked (sold openly, or given to hackers). Granting such access seems to be essential to the services that Nosik promises to offer.
6. Nosik is known to demand loyalty to his political views from his staff. If even he does not extend this practice to LJ users, the staff, employed by SUP, will be biased.

[info]roman_rogalyov

October 25 2006, 10:14:18 UTC 5 years ago

//4. In a conflict between two users, one of which has opted in for Nosik's services and the other has not, an Abuse Team controlled by Nosik is expected to support the former. Such a conflict can be easily organised for every user disliked by Nosik. //

I think that this is of particular importance

[info]gong

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[info]commist

October 25 2006, 02:17:41 UTC 5 years ago

Wouldn't you think that many users might not want to have anything to do with SUP servers located in Moscow?!

[info]bradfitz

October 25 2006, 03:51:20 UTC 5 years ago

I regularly deal with this community of 10M+ LJ users. And there's always people who don't like any change....

So yes, we totally expected it, that people wouldn't want anything to do with SUP. Especially because it sounds scary and sounds like it could kill LiveJournal, so we doubly expected it to be controversial.

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[info]shlyahtich

October 25 2006, 02:18:22 UTC 5 years ago

Nosik go home!

Yes, we don't like [info]dolbaeb because he is asshole all russian users hate him and his company. Why you allow him to be a part of LJ!?

We don't want to use journal host that administrated by such peoples. Find somebody professional.

P.S.
And give to us green squares, ofcource!

[info]shlyahtich

October 25 2006, 02:20:49 UTC 5 years ago

Re: Nosik go home!

And really, Brad, study russian. In USA most users are tinagers, but in russia LJ have really grand perspectives. IMHO russia must be preoritet direction for LJ future.

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[info]ex_rykov

October 25 2006, 02:32:41 UTC 5 years ago

and me!

[info]juliy

October 25 2006, 02:32:56 UTC 5 years ago

hi there, Brad. I know, how to solve current problems with SUP. just make me official representative for communtications between SixApart, SUP and cyrillic LJ-users, and all troubles will go away. everybody loves me here and all hail FSS. and last, but not least - as a sign for your sympathies to me, please, add me to your LJ-friends list. thank you

[info]iuliy

October 25 2006, 03:02:23 UTC 5 years ago

I agree, [info]juliy is the one who can unite those unruly cyrillizoids and bring peace and order into this troublesome segment of LJ. He is well respected and liked by all in LJ. He could become a great asset to SixApart organization and LJ community. Admitedly his English is not perfect and he may not understand all the fine points but I think I could volunteer my services as his translator and representative in dealings with SixApart organization during the transitional period. Brad, feel free to add me to your friend's list as [info]juliy's representative so we can continue our discussions on how best handle an apparent PR crisis we're all facing here.

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[info]saccovanzetti

October 25 2006, 02:49:38 UTC 5 years ago

LJ comment ownership rights should be clarified.

LJ additional privacy setting covering journal entries (and limiting indexing by search engines) should extend to comments as well.

This is especially important for users who want to OPT-OUT of SUP services, since SUP is planning to index journals of (opted-in) cyrillic users , including comments in those journals. However, comments in journals of such users may belong to non-cyrillic, or opted-out users, whose rights to privacy should be respected.

[info]___alien

October 25 2006, 03:21:39 UTC 5 years ago

Товарищ Бред, куда личные анкеты теперь сдавать надо, а то никак не пойму. Деньги вышлю почтой позже, напиши адрес тут, мне в журнал ничего не пиши. Переведите это ему кто нибудь.

[info]sumerk

October 25 2006, 03:27:20 UTC 5 years ago

Medved

[info]tarakanishe

October 25 2006, 03:28:06 UTC 5 years ago

I think, one more question that appears in a lot of postings is if it's possible for those writing in Cyrillic but live outside Russia not to be considered for the SUP services at all? Or at least if it is possible for those users to "opt in" instead of "opt out?"

[info]watertank

October 25 2006, 04:19:02 UTC 5 years ago

1. There's a concern that a SUP-managed Abuse Team will be used by Mr. Nossik to shut down journals of his political opponents.

2. Some US-based Russian-speaking LJ users think that providing the option to switch to a SUP-managed account violates LJ TOS, and other binding legal documents.

3. Many people are upset that SUP might make money using their content.

[info]deemon

October 25 2006, 04:24:43 UTC 5 years ago

Re: Nosik go home!

Well, I'd second many of these, but one thing I'm sure -- Anton is not an asshole.

[info]shlyahtich

October 25 2006, 04:35:07 UTC 5 years ago

Re: Nosik go home!

yes, he is not simple asshole, he is skazochniy dolboeb: http://shlyahtich.livejournal.com/337733.html

[info]deemon

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[info]ixl_ru

October 25 2006, 04:54:02 UTC 5 years ago

Will my ip address be accessible to SUP?

[info]konstik

October 25 2006, 05:11:51 UTC 5 years ago

the Edit Friends does not work anymore...

[info]ixl_ru

October 25 2006, 05:33:23 UTC 5 years ago

List of concerns
1. SUP mafia connections. Anton Nossik was a close friend to Ilya Medkov, who was engaged in "white collar crime" (Nossik own words in LJ
http://dolboeb.livejournal.com/407024.html) and shot in 1993. Moreover, Nossik wrote in his blog that he "don't consider stealing state assets a crime". Alexandr Mamut was involved in Bank of New York money laundering scandal.
2. Protection of personal info (ip addresses, e-mails, private entries, CC numbers for paid users). In Russia personal data are very poorly protected by state agencies. CDs with Central bank, customs or police databases are sold on the streets. If any personal data will be passed to SUP, sooner or later it will leak.

[info]ex_jetteim_

October 25 2006, 05:45:35 UTC 5 years ago

Hi there, Brad.
I'm a Juliy's curator from FSS.
Please add him to you LJ friends list.
Thanks in advance.

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[info]vadda

October 25 2006, 06:42:26 UTC 5 years ago

Welcome to Russian LJ Brad, where you can observe crowd mentality first-hand.

You'll have to learn to filter out all the garbage some people will try to feed you. Some of them have their own agenda, some of them are jealous, some people are misinformed and genuinely worried, some are just lemmings that'll follow anyone who is yelling loud enough and some think it's fun to stir up other people.

Please take everything you hear with a giant spoonful of salt.

Cheers.

[info]ex_ex_mcm69

October 25 2006, 07:34:15 UTC 5 years ago

И как +1 на английский перевести? :) Во, придумал,
I herebe agree with this post.
:D

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[info]salamatik

October 25 2006, 06:56:37 UTC 5 years ago

Hi Brad!
I am Sashka - Secret King of Rashka and I say: NO!

[info]ex_ex_mcm69

October 25 2006, 07:30:58 UTC 5 years ago

See Brad, all your base are belong to paranoia here :)

[info]sumerk

October 25 2006, 09:25:12 UTC 5 years ago

via [info]sumerk

[info]trankov

October 25 2006, 09:25:37 UTC 5 years ago

Dear Brad.
Don't listen this morons.
They are very active, but their opinion not important for future of Russian LJ. They are nothing and nobody, and 99,9% of russian users tired of their hysterya.

Thank you for your visit in Moscow.

[info]neor

October 25 2006, 09:53:54 UTC 5 years ago

научись писать по англиски дебил

those
listen to
their opinion is not important for the future
и так далее
граматей блять

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[info]neor

October 25 2006, 10:19:20 UTC 5 years ago

already out there

http://neor.livejournal.com/373341.html

[info]ontologia

October 25 2006, 10:34:48 UTC 5 years ago

A lot of people including some from Israel *understood* Anton, SUP official representative calling them "assholes" ("мудаки") and nationalist massacres ("погромное множество") because they disagree with him. Will he/SUP/LJ apologize?

[info]_fro_

October 25 2006, 15:47:21 UTC 5 years ago

No, they won't.

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